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By: exogenous

Several years ago I worked in a legal clinic that helped people through the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program, which is an interesting arrangement that encourages the manufacture of vaccines...

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By: homunculus

Make anti-vaccine parents pay higher premiums

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By: jenkinsEar

Here's part 3 of the series, which seems to be blaming the Lancet for initially carrying out a coverup. I had assumed that when I finished Horton would say that an investigation was needed to untangle...

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By: jeather

Part two of the series, about how the MMR crisis had financial motives, is now available.

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By: harriet vane

In Australia, Meryl Dorey has been the leader of the Anti-Vaccination Network. Recently her group came under fire from the state Health Care Complaints Commission, and had it's charitable status...

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By: epersonae

kristi: I read that too when it first came out and had a similar reaction. That, along with stuff like dw's Alabama experience (did you tell me about that before?) resparked the idea.

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By: aramaic

Oh my fucking god, it's worse than I thought.

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By: jenkinsEar

The second part of the series is now online; it details how Wakefield et al. expected to make money from the study. Trading was to be fronted by Carmel Healthcare Ltd—named after Wakefield's wife....

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By: scody

if you choose not to vaccinate your child, you are telling the children with cancer, the children with allergies, the children for whom the vaccine fails, the babies who are too young to be vaccinated,...

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By: homunculus

Jenny McCarthy weighs in about Andrew Wakefield--with predictable results

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By: the young rope-rider

Since it hasn't been mentioned, a grave disservice was done to children with autism and their families. How much time, money, energy wasted to debunk this study? How many treatments sold to parents...

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By: harriet vane

These parents would never have even heard of Wakefield's study if it weren't for the tabloids putting it front and centre. I'd be interested to know which 'journalists' were responsible for creating...

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By: kristi

epersonae: I've daydreamed about organizing tours of old cemeteries, focusing on headstones of children killed by vaccine-preventable diseases, for precisely this reason. I was surprised at how moved I...

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By: Kid Charlemagne

So for example my friend firmly believes that Hep B is a useless vaccine. That Hep B is only for those who are drug users and her son will never be a drug user. Ask them who they think blood borne...

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By: Blasdelb

"I had a certain sympathy for the parents when the Wakefield study first came out. But it isn't just now being discredited. The Lancet paper came out in 1998. But wakefield's coauthors began retracting...

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By: dw

I've daydreamed about organizing tours of old cemeteries, focusing on headstones of children killed by vaccine-preventable diseases, for precisely this reason. A few years ago we walked around the...

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By: rodgerd

Since when is it a fault to be ignorant, or fearful, or fearfully ignorant when you are not the expert and the "experts" all seem to be telling you different things about a very serious issue? As a...

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By: epersonae

the anti-vaxxers have no personal experience of what it is like to routinely lose children to measles, diptheria, polio, etc. I've daydreamed about organizing tours of old cemeteries, focusing on...

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By: scody

What might bring the anti-vaccine crowd around is a genuine epidemic, I'm talking babies dying in Oprah's arms. Unfortunately because of the lack of herd immunity everyone kid could be at risk. Sadly,...

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By: Eyebrows McGee

Gotcha. Yeah, it talks about smallpox being gone due to vaccination, as well as other diseases that have become very uncommon, and things like that. But yes, my doctor did say it was always a "relief"...

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By: Talez

Exactly. I'm talking about the irony of stupid people that would no doubt attempt to dismiss your point simply because the disease doesn't exist anymore mostly due to mass vaccination.

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By: KathrynT

Smallpox isn't around any more because widespread vaccination helped eradicate it.

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By: Eyebrows McGee

Talez, I'm not getting your tone, but the letter, which is fairly long, talks about smallpox having since been eradicated.

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By: Talez

The awesomeness level of both addressing parents head-on about the importance of vaccinating AND of quoting Ben Franklin on the topic made me feel very good about their practice. So how hard exactly do...

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By: Biblio

I have been sick with a terrible hacking breathless cough for 4 weeks. At times I have coughed so long and so hard that I have vomited. My sleep is compromised and I have difficulty doing my story...

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By: anigbrowl

So how many of you have gotten your flu shot this season? I'm not sure it's fear (although that's a factor) so much as poor communications. Although I am pro-vaccine and anti-woo, and know all about...

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By: spitbull

occasionally our chiropractor (who makes a big fucking difference when you're in the middle of a bad bout of asthma) And you wonder why some of us here might not entirely trust your anecdotal claims...

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By: dw

I used to not get my flu shot, but then a series of colds led to pneumonia, and after I recovered I found I'd get sick -- and badly sick -- any time I was exposed to any cold. So I get my flu shot out...

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By: Pope Guilty

the small-pox, taken in the common way What a remarkable turn of phrase.

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By: epersonae

Justinian, I had the same experience with the flu -- ye gods I don't think I've ever been that sick. Got my flu shot both last year and this year, mostly by happenstance: "oh, you're here for something...

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By: infinitywaltz

I never got a flu vaccine until about 5 years ago. Not because I don't think vaccines are awesome but because, well, I'm kind of lazy and it's just the flu and so forth. And then I manage to acquire...

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By: Eyebrows McGee

"So how many of you have gotten your flu shot this season? ... But I had to get over an uneasy feeling" I'm so unworried that I got mine this year while 12 1/2 weeks pregnant. Shortly after having my...

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By: Justinian

I get mine every year like clockwork. So do I... now. I never got a flu vaccine until about 5 years ago. Not because I don't think vaccines are awesome but because, well, I'm kind of lazy and it's just...

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By: dw

I know why; it's because kids are involved, and when that happens, we lose our minds. It's more than that: You can't do a lot of direct research on children. For instance, you can't shoot half of the...

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By: dw

There are also numerous cases of the conventional wisdom being challenged by brilliant critical thinkers, who are subsequently castigated by the scientific community. The Australian doctors (Warren and...

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By: jedicus

So how many of you have gotten your flu shot this season? I get mine every year like clockwork. It's safe and effective, and I do it as much for myself as for people I know who are immunocompromised....

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By: knoyers

Wakefield was God's gift to hysterical borderline Munchausen cases, and to those who wanted to hear that their intuition or personal feelings about medicine were "righter" than evidence-based medicine...

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By: gyusan

Just this morning on BART I saw a public-service-announcement type poster giving tips for avoiding the flu this season. The last tip was "Get a flu vaccine", which someone had crossed out with a marker.

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By: jonp72

By the way, some props should go to Amanda Peet on this issue. She's not only been the anti-Jenny McCarthy for the reality-based pro-vaccination side, but she has also been consistent in encouraging...

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By: storybored

So how many of you have gotten your flu shot this season? I did for the first time in many years because I'll be traveling a lot this season. But I had to get over an uneasy feeling and I'm the one in...

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By: Decani

Is there not enough room in our righteous outrage for some compassion for parents who, like liza, were dealing with a terrifying prospect, i.e., that they might actually be damaging their kids...

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By: Llama-Lime

btw, I meant to agree with you vigorously Xoebe, but it accidentally came across as counter-point.

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By: Decani

Why did he do this? posted by jbickers at 1:16 PM on January 7 Money, and bull-necked hubris.

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By: Llama-Lime

But honestly, the mythical "big pharma" and the cohort of avaricious corporations, consortiums and hegemonic interests share a big part of the blame.This is like when right-wingers blame the government...

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By: hal_c_on

So people listened because Jenny McCarthy endorsed a doctor's viewpoint. MAYBE (but probably not), people will think twice before listening to a celebrity who has absolutely no academic background....

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By: dhens

When I consider the fact that science and medicine have a hard time in the public discussions on this topic, I remember this article: "And if everyone is an expert, then nobody is, and the worst thing...

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By: Sidhedevil

The Australian doctors (Warren and Marshall) who found that ulcers are primarily caused by bacterial infection were the laughingstock of the medical and scientific communities for years before they...

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By: Sidhedevil

Amen to what Pope Guilty says. If kids who can get vaccinated without risk got vaccinated, liza's kids and others like them would be at less risk for measles, mumps, and rubella.

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By: Xoebe

I am with emjaybee on this one. I am as angry and frustrated as anyone at the irresponsible to criminal con job that Wakefield pulled. But honestly, the mythical "big pharma" and the cohort of...

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By: Pope Guilty

liza's kids- kids whose allergies make vaccination difficult or impossible- are who we're trying to protect by going after the anti-vax assholes. That some people can't get vaccinated is part of why...

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